The brochure arrived yesterday. I have two comments on it.
They say you can "go back" to Original Medicare with a Medicare Supplement plan if you decide you don't like the United HealthCare plan. There is a footnote to that statement that refers you to www.medicare.gov to look at "guarantee issue". First off, going back to Original Medicare isn't at your whim. That is usually possible to do once a year, during Medicare Fall Open Enrollment (Oct 15- Dec 7th), or if you move to a new state. The bigger issue is rebuying the Medicare Supplement plan. Depending on what state you live in, you might not be able to rebuy the Medicare Supplement plan. That's what "guarantee issue" means. Some states allow you to reenroll in a Medicare Supplement plan without underwriting or age rated adjustments. Most states leave it up to the insurance company to decide if they even want to sell you a policy and, if they do, at whatever price they want. There is no cap on out of pocket cost if you use Original Medicare without a Medicare Supplement plan so, unless you also have Medicaid, you need a Medicare Supplement plan.
My second comment is there is nothing in the brochure about how often United HealthCare denies claims if you have already received treatment, or requires pre-approval before you can be treated. That information is available from Kaiser foundation and it is not good. I have written over and over again about the nightmare of pre-procedure and post-treatment denials. They say wonderful things in the brochure like they will provide unlimited "Skilled Nursing Facility" days for rehabilitation. What they don't say is the probability of receiving unlimited SNF days is slim to none. They typically deny more SNF coverage after about 10 days (that's the pattern I have seen) and say it's because more treatment is not medically necessary. Then you are in the cycle of needing to appeal.
Another sad story from this past week about a Medicare Advantage plan. A man, in his nineties, went to the ER because he was having significant heart problems. The ER doctor immediately admitted him to the hospital. The staff cardiologist monitored him for several days and stabilized him. When he got the first denial of payment for treatment from his Medicare Advantage plan, they not only denied the hospital treatment as not being medically necessary, they said the provider was out of network. The man was looking at a bill of about $11,000. He didn't focus on the denial of treatment, he focused on the out of network statement. He called the Medicare Advantage plan and they said they had made a mistake and the hospital treatment was in-network. They adjusted the claim amount to $6,000 and then denied the claim, again, saying it was not medically necessary. When treatment is denied, the policy holder is responsible for the full amount of the treatment and it does not count toward the MA plan deductible. The man now has 60 days to appeal. It must be a written appeal. He needs to get a letter from his provider to attest to the fact that the treatment was medically necessary. Needless to say, he was totally overwhelmed with what he has to do to fight to get the MA plan to pay the claim while struggling with his medical problems. Having to battle with a behemoth insurance organization is the last thing in the world he needs to worry about. This reporting by Axios is about Medicare Advantage denials.
https://www.axios.com/2022/04/29/medicare-advantage-debate-rekindled-by-report-on-coverage-denials
Plato, thanks again for your insight and comments. I have not received any information
ReplyDeleteabout the meat of these plans other than to contact them for information on the 2 plans sponsored by IBM. Made me feel like they were trying to sell me a used car. Just this morning I was looking to get some information about these plans hopefully I'll get something in the mail. I doubt very much I will move from my Medigap plan. It's been good to my family, no hassles for paying their portion when required. Not to mention with recent IBM moves they are liable to stop sponsoring these plans as well. I was glad to see your post this morning.
UHC IBM Customer Service told me on the phone that the two IBM MA plans will deny service/payment ONLY if Original Medicare would also deny. I need to ensure that that is true before I switch from Original Medicare (w/ Medigap) to a UHC IBM MA plan.
ReplyDeleteThat is so not true it made me wince. No easy way to prove it, but the high rate of Medicare Advantages denials has been in the news for many years.
DeleteSeveral UHC IBM agents told me that the two new UHC IBM MA plans should deny a service claim ONLY if Original Medicare Part A or Part B would deny the claim. The agents said these two MA plans are group plans and thus significantly better than standard MA plans. I remain skeptical, though.
DeleteThis is a link to an article by Bloomberg law: https://news.bloomberglaw.com/health-law-and-business/backlash-over-coverage-denials-stings-private-medicare-plans
DeleteI don't know about this plan since I haven't received any written information but I have looked at UHC plans and they show my primary care Doctor is not in their network (been with him since 1979)
ReplyDeleteSeveral IBM UHC agents said in- vs out-of-network is irrelevant. The copays are the same. My feedback was to remove the in- and out-of-network distinction from the UHC IBM website, Find a Provider, and documents since the distinction will only confuse customers, especially since the copays are the same.
DeleteCall Medicare (1-800-633-4227) and ask them what the difference is between in-network and out-of network doctors. They will tell you that out-of network doctors can refuse to take the plan as well as there might be a higher coinsurance.
DeleteEven if UHC directory shows the doc takes the plan, that doesn't mean they do. The directories are notorious for being out of date. The only authoritative source is the doctor.
ReplyDeleteIBM UHC told me that ALL providers in the country who accept Original Medicare also accept the two UHC IBM MA plans. Furthermore, the in- and out-of-network distinctions can be ignored since the copays are the same for in- and out-of-network.
DeleteThat's not true. If it were, they would guarantee that 100% of Medicare doctors will take the IBM plan. Call Medicare (1-800-633-4227) and ask them if Medicare doctors are required to take Medicare Advantage plans. Also, if in-network and out-of network copays are always the same then why are there two categories?
DeleteThis axios report directly addresses the Medicare Advantage denial problem
Deletehttps://www.axios.com/2022/04/29/medicare-advantage-debate-rekindled-by-report-on-coverage-denials
If you agree, please send me an email (I put it in my blog profile). I would like to ask you about IBM paperwork you do have. Plato
ReplyDeleteSorry I've looked , must have trashed all except for what I received when I retired. (Thought IBM was true to their word)
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